Owen Jones vs. TRIGGERnometry

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Oct 10, 2026 · 6:00 PM UTC

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@triggerpodc@owenjonesjournos much as he likes - his philosophy collapses the second you drop him into a 'student' Palestine protest in Europe and he's faced with hundreds of thousands of people who can't speak his language, don't care about his ethics, and want nothing more than to burn the world down around him.

The best way to deradicalise liberals is to send them onto the streets with the reality of their policy.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Owen Jones in INSUFFERABLE. I have never known a person be so rude in an interview. To then tell YOU to calm down, whilst smirking. You did so well to maintain your composure whilst he was busy being a rape aplogist. He and the despicable Helen Webberly would make quite a team.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I watched most of it. I couldn’t bear it all. Jones avoided questions and danced. He had some good point on neoliberalism and foreign wars. But over all, he was the man we thought he is.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Favorite part early on: Jones conceding a timeline of:

1. 1980-81 Recession
2. 1984-86 Large scale Deregulation and privatisation
3. 1987-1989 High growth boom.

But arguing 2 somehow acts backwards in time to cause 1 but not forwards to cause 3.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I don't know how @KonstantinKisin kept his cool so well.
Owen Jones is impossible.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Will you let Owen talk!!!! Fml!!
He couldn't get a word in!
And when he did - he won the debate!
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@triggerpodU@owenjonesjournocommunism". It only ever had state capitalism. Communism is not the seizure of the means of production by a state elite. Communism is what happens there is a clear majority of people who know what it is, they want this, and they themselves bring it about (ideally by voting for it). No population has yet managed to replace class-ownership of the means of production.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Too bad you didn't ask Owen about his hunting for "broody lesbians". x.com/spikedonline/s…
Owen Jones caught some flak over the weekend for suggesting he was ‘hunting for broody lesbians’ with which to co-parent. Why are lefty men so willing to talk about women as if we are broodmares?, asks @jo_bartosch
spiked-online.com/2021/04/06/owe…
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I have not seen a dumber guy than @owenjonesjourno debating Kisin.

Disrespectful, full of opinions and judgement and very little data.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Points of selective evidence and causal overclaim.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I'm an hour and 12 minutes in and I have two observations: 1) You guys showed waaay more patience with this idiot than I'd be able to to; 2) the level of blinders this guy has to have to hold the views he does in 2026 is, frankly, a bit scary.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Has this guy ever had a conversation with anyone who doesn't affirm his position? Has he ever even watched an actual debate? He has absolutely no etiquette, and this is totally insufferable. Can't even finish it.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno That was excruciating. Owen's incapable of listening, he constantly interrupts, and he's obviously got learning difficulties in the face of basic logic.
Added to that, he masks being out of his depth with contorted body shapes and fake smiles.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Best moment of the podcast 😂
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Was this an interview or an ADHD assessment?
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Was Owen Jones sponsored by Coke?
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno He just doesn't shut up and listen does he ... like ever!
Typical lefty idiot!
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I will watch to the end but, 17 minutes in, I've had to pause to make a crucial observation.

Owen Jones is an insufferable twat.

I'll make a coffee and resume...
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno thanks for allowing this dude to destroy himself on your show, big up Triggernometry.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Very positive that Jones agreed to come on your show. I’m through the first half but will have to watch the second part tomorrow as I find Jones’ debating style so exhausting.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Your patience @KonstantinKisin is impressive.
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@triggerpodi@owenjonesjournothe whole thing, and I genuinely don't know how Konstantin and Francis kept their patience.

@owenjonesjourno is exhaustin@owenjonesjournofectly capable of hearing an argument, picking out the 10% that supports his worldview and dismissing the other 90% as though it simply doesn't exist.

And the constant interruptions! Every time Konstantin tried to develop a point, Owen seemed determined to talk over him and drag the conversation back to his own narrative.

It's the smug certainty that gets me. The apparent inability to entertain the possibility that someone who disagrees with him might actually have a valid point.

For me, he embodies everything that's become so frustrating about a certain strand of modern progressive politics: selective outrage, ideological tunnel vision and an extraordinary confidence in being right.

Credit to both hosts. I genuinely don't know how you resisted the temptation to bang your heads against the table.

I'd have needed something considerably stronger than whatever was in those mugs.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno That guy was insufferable.
I’m impressed that neither of you just walked out of the interview.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno It’s fairly obvious that even he doesn’t believe his own bullshit. He’s anxious like a child about to have his BS called. Confirms for me that his speech is as bad as his tweets. Train wreck interview.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Owen Jones is as thick as shit. What a testament to our society that someone with so little to say has become famous. I’ve only listened to the first 10 minutes and he doesn’t stop repeating himself.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno He looked like a child who was over eager to answer the teacher..and the nervous fidgeting it was as if he needed a fix. Really not a good look for Owen.
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@triggerpods@owenjonesjourno a reasonable discussion, I wonder why? @KonstantinKisin you were so @KonstantinKisin Democratic Socialist.” “Am I arguing for the abolition of all market relations? No I’m not arguing for that.”

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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I genuinely used to admire him - a couple of decades ago - but he is insufferable now. You managed very well - and thus exposed - his supremely arrogant, scrutiny-avoiding debating style and he ended up making a real fool of himself.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I had to stop listening once he said that Maduro was not a dictator. He’s obviously a liar and a clown.

He interrupted Francis so he couldn’t finish his family story of being threatened and incarcerated.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno This was an incredibly painful watch. @owenjonesjourno is utterly clueless, unable to make or even understand basic logic like chronology. Modern "journalism" is just a disgrace.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Konstantin has matured to a very patient, measured interviewer. You always get more from asking relevant questions rather than basking in your own glory. Good for Owen to have the guts to show up but we tried your way already and more than 100,000,000 people died.
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@triggerpods@owenjonesjournoshow saying that immigration is apparently a net benefit to the UK, then asks why neighbouring countries around Afghanistan should take in refugees! That slip shows he doesn't believe what he's saying. Further, the moral case of accepting refugees of countries he says we help destroy is obviously flawed anyway, because it doesn't take into account the moral right of UK citizens, which no doubt will be at *increased* risk as why would they like us if they think we tried to destroy them!!!

By the way, a recession is good- it reduces the misallocation of capital in an economy. It's painful because the false growth created jobs and businesses that weren't productive but were subsidised through the misallocation of public funds. That capital in time, is reallocated to more productive ends and society as a whole becomes richer.
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno Owen Jones’ opening remarks (repeating “financialisation”) was akin to that Somalian woman saying “bananas and rice”
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno I think Owen misunderstood when he heard that Muslims like to toss off gay men from rooftops
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@triggerpod @owenjonesjourno That went exactly as expected! I was frustrated that you gave him air time, but glad in the end you exposed his stupidity! He should never be allowed on again!
Also, you should have asked him if he supported grooming gangs and when he said no, ask when did he protest them!?
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