原來我曾經無無聊聊夜麻麻睇過一啲關於19世紀粵語嘅處置句paper有一日係會幫到我嘅 💀💀💀 my canto trivia knowledge saved me

@XiranJayZhao this one especially caused me great pain bc SOME OF THESE ARE JUST RANDOM RADICAL COMPONENTS, NOT EVEN FULL CHARACTERS

ok extremely unrelated but google translate rly went and did that,,,,, im QUOKE

SPOTTED IN THE WILD

i love this sm

the translators of the canto edition of the little prince have done it again :^) this time with animal farm !!!! they're also dropping a jyutping version of the little prince (for my learners out there 👀)

今年書展有得買，喺香港嘅朋友記得去買返本喇!

@riveramichael @ChefMiew @RonDanChan @amandawtwong @Fumi_chun i had no idea either LOOOL mr google says that 油 can also be viscous/thicker liquids, and since soy sauce undergoes fermentation of meat/(shell)fish to become a sticky substance, it's a 油, even tho there's no actual oil in it

take that with a grain of salt (or soy sauce hah)

this is fascinating on a sociolinguistic level tbh but also terribly exhausting to read LMAO (both comments are written by the same person hours apart)

i was scouring youtube for more and i found this one youtuber:

youtube.com/watch?v=4pYfg3…

youtube.com/watch?v=7EBgK2…

this is oNE sub-type of the ethnolect that im thinking of (the second vid is mostly in canto but the parts in english are the focus here)

for my GTA folks, think of your markham peers LMAO ( the cantomando guys are what i think of when i think of a second gen markham ethnolect)

youtu.be/VqQqoGUnuF8

@LinguisticsShi1 u dont believe in phonemes and yet u are phonemes

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF BB 😩🙏

@15israellai @ShriXD

@ChasBelov oooooo I see, idk too much about profanity tbh, I wasn't exposed to much of it until adulthood hahahaha

I'm checking words.hk and they do mention the usage you brought up!

@bruleebitch PLEASE

@ChasBelov this is the only album we have at home LOL, seems different from the one you described though

the songs here are more colloquial than I remember them, you're absolutely right! except for song #12, which is meant to be a meta parody of modern cantopop 😂

@BayesForDays exhibit B

oh and spaghetti is also an acceptable alternative

@BayesForDays hk breakfast agrees

@GretchenAMcC idk if this is the *canonical* voice but i believe canto speaking robots in cartoons still retain the tones, but they sound,,,, flatter ?? the contours aren't as fully fledged i guess

youtu.be/D2R7vNsKKgQ (peep the robot at the 4:00 mark)

@deepseashai oops forgot to include one photo (this is where the back/bauck thing is)

also lol @ me crossing out 那, which is only a thing in standard written chinese jfjsjfjdj, not me hating on diglossia since day 1 😌✋

@deepseashai - i wrote 馬 /ma:/ as <mau>, and 白 /pa:k/ as <bauck/back>
- 光 /kʷɔŋ~kɔŋ/ i originally had as gong but i inserted a w
- 愛 /(ŋ)ɔy/ i have as <gnoy>
- as expected, [tɕʰ~tʃʰ~tsʰ] is all over the place; 差 /tsʰaːi/ <tjī>, 傳 /tɕʰyn/ <tjune>, 聰 /tɕʰoŋ/ <tcho>

@unidentifedbird this is not bread but my mom made these mini strawberry santies yesterday and i felt like u might enjoy

@HK_rtang omg which one of you is this 🔫

my linguistics pickup lines are probably part of the reason why im single so i will spare ur eyes

@PankersPeter "chefs kiss" 即係咁解 hahaha

frens i did a thing

this is my krimmus gift to u

@AceDystopia hm the closest thing I see in the reference grammar is this, but they don't have IPA for this example so idk how this is said :/ it also only mentions Hoiping and Sanwui so rip

does your intuition of gam55 match up with the examples here? (especially 229 and 230)

@jonathanlingpan this is a literal threat

@jonathanlingpan THIS IS A THREAT

@hkwuliff this is how 粵典 writes it but also we have no written standard so do whatever u want fjskfkkd, i personally like 擳 just bc of the 剔手邊

Post the four books that started you on your current intellectual journey no matter how cringe.

mr campbell, if ur out there, u dragged me into this field 😤

@singingspring_ tbh just force them to watch this video

youtu.be/SoutpVh_HFU

WJICH ONE OF YOU SENT MY THREAD TO A PODCASTER

BC TJEYBJUST INVITED ME ONTO THEIR SHOW AND fCKKNG VIVEK IS A CO-HOST ??!?!?! (context: vivek is a famous hk stand up comedian and im star struck)
,,,
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MOM I THINK IM PEAKING

@ashen_prospects It seems like they just use ASL finger spelling? huh

youtu.be/T75ifi-_Ths

@cobbaltt perhamps it's this (?)

@baconmashwbs @NiaoCollective @hkwuliff @99_secretgarden

PLEASE

@Yaviendil jyu5 :^) yea everybody i asked has looked at me funny, but it's how everyone in my fam says it LOOOL

i heard it in a video earlier today actually (at 1:41), but then she switches to ji5 in the very next sentence

youtu.be/I2vkxFbOSVs

@GuyintheGulf youtu.be/OtDmefdf6es (Mandarin - Jolin Tsai does it more in her upbeat songs)

youtu.be/eelfrHtmk68 (Korean - DEAN just EXUDES R&B vibes)

@GuyintheGulf why yes I do :D

youtu.be/Gxkfp7iYjW8 (Thai - not as extreme as the first one but tHE R'S AGAIN)

youtu.be/x9s7nf3teAY (Korean - this one's pretty tame)

youtu.be/gx_mg-1WhWw (Korean - Jay Park is the perfect person to listen to for this)

@LeeCommaMark

similar thing in mando (flapping, pushing alveolar affricates back a bit) - GEM and Jay Chou do this a LOT

youtu.be/ma7r2HGqwXs

theres also this canto r&b song where i hear some Indie Voice™ happening, where /i/'s are very [ɪi]-like and some wonky VOT stuff

youtu.be/dpHiOwcbra4

i was listening to this thai song and w E w do you hEAR THOSE R's

youtu.be/GAJ8rleRkRQ

there's also some t-flapping here and there

@Yaviendil @art_thinking_ec @riveramichael LOLLL TR U e

this is all words.hk has on it

@jauyeesum OK I DID SOME LISTENING bc i am bored but if u want to be a nerd with me then

youtu.be/wZiJTy78RRk

wui2 u can hear at 34:39, 34:48, 35:57, 36:05, 40:54, 41:08, 53:03

and wui6 at 41:17, 50:08, 52:59

what's cool is that the same speaker will flip flop in the same paragraph!!

1️⃣ some verbs will change their tone to make a related noun

- 掃 sou3 'to sweep' > 掃 sou2 'broom'
- 話 waa6 'to say' > 話 waa2 'language'
- 油 jau4 'to paint/varnish' > 油 jau2 'paint/varnish'
- compare 煲 bou1 'to boil' > 煲 bou1 'pot'

autosegmental rep for the linguines:

4/

for reference, I'll include a tone graph here so you have a visual to work off of as well

2/

@jogloran same, but apparently its quite common in macau (pronounced as hau1)! you can hear it here: youtu.be/zxtb13nDQW0

here's an article on it too if you're interested:

cuhk.edu.hk/ics/journal/ar…

ngl i miss my short hair 🥺

dec 2019 after i got stood up vs. dec 2020 after 8 months of being cooped up

@ChasBelov ok update i was just fiddling around on google maps and WOAH!!! N/L merger spotted in the wild LOLL

i rescind my previous statement

youtu.be/czg4UoL5J2U

in this video, u can still hear /-y/ for 佢/句/去 (which have already shifted to /-ɵy/ in HK/GZ canto) bc merchants from the pearl river delta went westward in the middle of the qing dynasty, before the shift happened in GZ in the 1800s ISNT THAT COOL