π΄πββ¬π»hijo negro del pueblo π΄πββ¬π» retweeted
"How dare you compare queer people's oppression to ours?" was also the reaction of many Jewish people to the idea that the queer victims of the Holocaust even deserve to be acknowledged, much less compensated. And that was saying you couldn't compare people in the same gd camps
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π΄πββ¬π»hijo negro del pueblo π΄πββ¬π» retweeted
@EcoTechBro It's just so obvious the push to not compare oppressions is to insist one is worse than the other and that's why the insistence has always been so frustrating. Genuinely insulting to the intelligence.
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@LilFreeBird_ @chanelstepfathr There are significantly less gay neonazis than black homophobes. This is possibly the dumbest line of argument imaginable on this topic.
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π΄πββ¬π»hijo negro del pueblo π΄πββ¬π» retweeted
@EcoTechBro Something I was thinking about earlier re βwhy do queer people always compare their oppression to anti black racismβ is that anti black racism is a framework that almost any person you talk to is going to have a frame of reference for
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@Kirby_PPG The people using this line are actively carrying out the infighting. You're deeply confused about the background of this tweet. I'm referencing people who use this line of thought to diminish the experiences of others.
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@rskhm__ Yeah, in general, a lot of leftist canned phrases go unexamined because people hesitate to even ask "why?"
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This was true in the 60s and 70s, when the institutionalizing black liberals told the black masses that they have nothing in common with the Vietnamese, and this is true now when grassroots black chauvinists say there is no commonality with queer people or Palestinians.
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It has always been the reactionary chauvinists who reject comparison, who refuse to see themselves in others.
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The other movements of their time, seeing them as similar, including not just the anti-colonial wars but also the gay and women's struggle, that had a more fundamentally liberatory perspective.
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This tendency to fragment struggles is ultimately a conservative one. By seeing the basic resonance in experiences of oppression we get closer to the root. Unsurprisingly, it was always the parts of the black power movement who recognized their shared fate with...
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This was generalized to the entire fight against imperialism. While it led to certain errors tactically, it also guarded against chauvinism. Unsurprisingly, as black people were folded into Americanism, this perspective was lost, and so this comparison is rejected out of hand.
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The heroic phase of the black power movement occured largely due to the "internal colony" theory advanced by groups like the black panther party who recognized a basic similarity between the experiences of black people in the USA and the Vietnamese.
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Not only is it not bad to compare oppressions, comparing oppressions, recognizing their resonances is exactly what transforms movements from chauvinist and particularist to genuinely emancipatory. This is true even if those oppressions differ in intensity or other ways.
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@rskhm__ Same thing here, though more family friends than immediate family.
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@rskhm__ It's corny because it's an imitation of another meme, but anyone pretending this is not an extremely real archetype is kidding themselves and most likely just not around ordinary black people. Pro black-anti queer is an extremely common kinda guy.
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π΄πββ¬π»hijo negro del pueblo π΄πββ¬π» retweeted
queers on twt do this thing where they only engage with white trans women and call their transfeminist opinions stupid because theyre white, and when black and brown trans women express similar sentiments they just ignore them or pretend theyre white, which is absurly racist imo.
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Couldn't dream of a better discourse to illustrate the fact that people love to power scale oppression because they think it gives them credibility.
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The goal is to minimize homophobia. It's a line that black bigots and reactionaries have used for literal years now, at least since the arguments around gay marriage, and always the earnest students of their conservative allies, some black "radicals" are doing the same.
Like this is such a SILLY conversation to have. βYou canβt hide being blackβ βyou can hide being queerβ
Iβm sorry but who exactly is being helped here? What is the goal of this conversation if not to powerscale oppression?
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@D3sire1sATr4p I don't disagree with this, but it doesn't change the reality that the majority of use cases for these statements falls into the pattern I mentioned. Particularly since most people who make those comparisons are not even trying to equate the degree of oppression, just the form.
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